Customer Support Email Threads:
Subject: Compliance with SIP-016
Hi,
We need to comply with Lockheed Martin’s flowdown SIP-016. Attached is the SIP-016 for your review and input. Can you help?
Kindest Regards,
Quality Control Manager
Grantsville, MD
Our Response:
Hello,
Nice to teleconference with you about your Lockheed Martin project and thanks for your interest in our products and services.
I see that the Standard Quality System in Appendix A is a lot more than MIL-I-45208; in fact, we need to add quite a few more procedures to the MIL-I kit to make it compliant with SIP 016. What we see in SIP 016 Appendix A is the Build-to-Print version of the ISO 9001 standard.
“Appendix A” in SIP 016 is essentially a “lite” version of ISO 9001 (no design); for instance (a few examples):
SIP 016 1.1 is equivalent to paragraph 4.1 from the ISO standard.
SIP 016 2.1.1 is equivalent to paragraph 4.2.3 from the ISO standard.
SIP 016 2.2 is equivalent to paragraph 4.2.4 from the ISO standard.
SIP 016 3.1 is equivalent to Section 5.4.1 from the ISO standard.
SIP 016 3.2 is equivalent to 4.2.5 from the ISO standard.
The giveaway that SIP 016 is a “lite” version of ISO 9001 can be seen at 6.6.1 Corrective Action and 6.6.2 Preventive Action, which are right out of the ISO standard at 8.5.2 and 8.5.3.
Here’s a couple of solutions to consider for your improvement project?
1)
We’ll create a quality manual in one day that is compliant with SIP 016 on a paragraph by paragraph basis then we’ll accumulate applicable procedures and forms from our $297 Lean ISO 9001 kit. Procedures and forms in the ISO 9001 kit are agnostic – it doesn’t matter what business operation they are used in. We are hopeful the “more lean” kit will cost the same as the $197 MIL-I kit but the final cost of the SIP-016 compliant kit will probably be $297.
2)
Adopt ISO 9001 and take exception to Design and Development paragraph 7.3. We describe a Fast-Track and Self-Assertion implementation strategy for ISO 9001 that satisfies Customers like Lockheed Martin. In your case, see the Self-Assertion method and Lean Kit for $297:
http://www.quality-control-plan.com/iso9001-quality-system.htm#fasttrack
To learn about how long ISO takes to implement, browse the Lean Kit for link named “Schedule to QMS Registration”.
Summary:
ISO is a terrific stepping stone to more business with bigger Customers. You know how hard it is to “romance” new Customers into buying from Suppliers with an unknown or undocumented quality system. In your case, MIL-I is not an option because it does not address Management Responsibility, Continuous Improvement, Records Control, Engineering Change Control, Training, Resource Management and more that is listed in SIP 016.
We are here to help…
Chat with you again soon,
At-PQC
Pre-Customer Follow-Up Reply:
Subject: SIP Document
Hi,
Thank you for your response and input. I attached the “Survey Checklist” that was sent along with the SIP-016. I thought it may be useful to you. I got your second email and the name you want to use is Ok but we will probably change it to suit our needs. I also want to stay away from an ISO title because we just don’t have the time to get the certification. This QMS will be audited by LM. We have negotiated with LM for this work and we have already made a tested and working prototype. Now we are getting the QMS in place so we can start production. If possible, I would like to see the QMS kit “Enhanced MIL-I-45208” (or at least a completed table of contents) for review before committing. I do think we are leaning heavily toward your product. I’ll be in touch very soon.
Kindest Regards,
Quality Control Manager
Grantsville, MD
Our Response:
Hello,
Thanks for the information about the status of your project. We’ll begin the process and send you a draft quality manual for review.
Chat with you again soon,
At-PQC
Our Follow-Up Response:
Hello,
Sorry about the delay in our feedback about your project.
We saw this morning on our Calendar that we had an appointment in Denver to visit with another Company about their QMS improvement project. They loved our ‘lean’ approach to things and offered to become our Affiliate for eQMS through their website, which is a marvelous product because it allows a Company to operate an industry-compliant QMS with fewer personnel than their existing paper-managed QMS. Our Denver Customer is no longer afraid of ISO because of cloud computing technology (eQMS). They intend to assert compliance to ISO without going for certification for a couple of years.
Sorry again about the delay. We’ll get started tonight on your Enhanced MIL-I QMS. We plan to send a draft of the manual/system tomorrow.
Chat with you again soon,
At-PQC
Pre-Customer Comment:
I look forward to hearing from you today.
Kindest Regards,
Quality Control Manager
Grantsville, MD
Our Response:
Subject: Re: Status of Enhanced MIL-I-45208 Project
Hello,
We are hopeful that you received our emails with timestamps:
8:05pm
9:44pm
The 8:05 email has an attachment and the 9:44 email has a link to the Enhanced kit in our catalog.
I’m guessing our emails are in your spam folder because they were sent by quality-control-plan.com instead of mil-i-45208.com.
Just in case the internet glitched during transmission of the emails, here’s the content from both emails:
8:05pm email:
Hello,
We completed the enhanced quality manual except for renumbering paragraph numbers in the cross-reference matrix in Appendix A, which we’ll complete tomorrow.
Use the following password to open the attached demo manual:
*****
We renumbered paragraphs in our standard ISO manual and moved one or two of them to match paragraph numbering in SIP 016. We also removed content and references to ISO 9001 and renamed the manual for your project.
SIP 016 is definitely a “lite” ISO 9001. To see for yourself, browse the QMS-00 Build-to-Customer Spec Manual in our ISO 9001 kit:
http://www.quality-control-plan.com/iso9001-quality-system.htm#leaniso9001kit
Of course, your project needs the Lean Kit to comply with SIP 016, which makes the kit $297 instead of $197.
9:44pm email:
Hello,
Please click the following link to browse the contents of the Enhanced MIL-I kit:
http://www.mil-i-45208.com/#enhancedmili45208kit
Thanks again for the improvement opportunity.
New content:
We need to update Appendix A in QMS-00 to match SIP 016 paragraph numbers to complete the quality manual. We’ll keep you informed…
Hope this information helps your project.
Our Follow-Up Responses:
Hello,
Appendix A in the quality manual is complete and the demo doc is on the website:
http://www.quality-control-plan.com/mil-i-45208.htm#enhancedmili45208kit
Thanks again for the improvement opportunity.
Chat with you again soon,
At-PQC
Our Pre-Customer purchased the Enhanced MIL-I-45208 Kit and later asked for a little guidance to support other improvement opportunities – see below:
Subject: QMS
Hi,
I was wondering if you would be able to give some direction as to the order of implementation of the most important to the least important process in the QMS system. My thoughts are to start implementing the process procedures in Receiving then Purchasing and then perhaps Configuration Management, etc. What is your advise on this.
BTW, we got a thumbs up from LM on the manual submittal. Now we are ready to tackle the real tough part and that is the implementation of each process.
Kindest Regards,
Quality Control Manager
Grantsville, MD
Our Response:
Hello,
That’s good news from LM about your quality manual.
Use the following link to download a typical schedule to QMS registration that might provide some insight to the big picture. Prorate the dates to match your schedule. The “schedule” is one of our no-charge downloads but it doesn’t address the order of precedence for implementing QMS procedures:
http://www.quality-control-plan.com/docs/schedule-to-qms-registration-rev-orig.doc
If at all possible, follow the numbering scheme in the “Schedule to QMS Registration”. Number 8 in the “Description” column establishes your Gap Analysis or defines the current status of your QMS before your improvement project. Numbers 17 and 18 in the list establish a timeline to begin training for your new procedures. Item number 19 in the “schedule” may be too aggressive but it will eventually paint a picture about the status of the quality system after implementation of your new QMS. Keep a record of all corrective actions, especially the confirmation that each correction actually worked.
You need the before and after audit record to document your Company’s continuous improvement, which is similar to the calibration process for measurement equipment. The calibration procedure requires measurements against standards as received in Metrology and measurements as delivered after calibration is performed. The desire is that both sets of measurements are the same to establish a reliable tool and recall program.
The differences in the quantity and type of observations and findings between the initial audit and subsequent audits is proof that the Company is improving. The fact that corrective actions are working is another bonus that LM will love. Summarize effective corrective actions and differences between audits to make lots of points with Customers.
One good method of prioritizing QMS procedure implementation is to use the process map in Appendix E from your quality manual – follow its flow through the business operation.
Another good method is to implement QMS procedures according to their numbering system – QMS-01 – QMS-02 – QMS-03, etc…
It really doesn’t matter since you have 17 of them to get through – just don’t lose sight of the big picture. Of course, in your case, you should delete items in the “schedule” that are numbered 23, 24 and 25.
Hope this information helps your project. We wish you the best for your project.
Chat with you again soon,
At-PQC
Additional Customer Requests:
Subject: Research Activities
Hi,
Do you have available any documentation (QMS) for R & D work that would fit into the Enhanced MIL-I-45208 manual? We do a lot of quick turn around R & D for a variety of customers and need specific controls for design development, testing and implementation. There is some document control that must be adhered to. I picked up on this in the QMS-02 Configuration Management. Any help would be appreciated. We may have to keep this entirely as a separate document that we can present and follow for internal control.
Kindest Regards,
Quality Control Manager
Grantsville, MD
Our Responses:
Hello,
Yes, we have aprocedure that can be integrated into the Enhanced MIL-I kit, which is numbered QMS-17, Design and Development:
http://www.quality-control-plan.com/cart/catalogue.php?cat=2#designdevelopmentprocedure
We also offer a plan for validation of tools and molds, which is located at:
http://www.quality-control-plan.com/cart/catalogue.php?cat=2#validationoftoolsandmolds
You are welcome to make a list of documents from our catalog and we’ll quote a “kit” price to save you from purchasing individual documents.
We wish you the best for your project.
Chat with you again soon,
At-PQC
More Customer Inquiries:
Subject: Referenced Documentation
Where can I get referenced documentation such as MIL-HDBK-H-106 and MIL-HDBK-H-107 noted in “RECEIVING, IN-PROCESS AND FINAL INSPECTION SAMPLING PLAN”?
Kindest Regards,
Quality Control Manager
Grantsvill, MD
Our Response:
Hello,
www.assistdocs.com/search/search_basic.cfm is the repository for all Government specs.
Type the number 106 or the number 107 into field named “Document Number” then click then browse the list to find MIL-HDBK…
I’ll bet your Customer would rather see ANSI Z1.4 Sampling Plan. The Zero Acceptance Number C=0 Plan is in your kit, which is an alternate to MIL-STD-105 and ANSI Z1.4.
Hope this information helps your project.
Chat with you again soon,
Customer Inquiry:
Do you have any suggestions for completing the SIP-016 survey?
Kindest Regards,
Quality Control Manager
Grantsvill, MD
Our Response:
Hello,
We browsed the Lockheed survey and find that it follows paragraph numbers in SIP-016, which are duplicated in QMS-00.
I believe you can complete the survey by referring to paragraph numbers from QMS-00 plus additional references when available. For instance, the 4th bullet in Survey Requirement #2 specifies that you describe the order and interconnectivity of processes. In this case, your answer would be:
Quality Manual paragraph 1.1 and Appendix E
I find that survey bullet #4 is broken because it doesn’t match the same bullets in SIP-016 Apx A. You’ll probably give Lockheed Martin an “improvement opportunity” by pointing out that the survey doesn’t match the SIP (but don’t take the chance if their Auditor is “Darth Vader”).
I believe that your knowledge of the MIL-I QMS will be enhanced if you complete the survey without assistance, which will help you talk-the-talk and walk-the-walk.
If you desire, we will complete the first half of the survey.
Be aware that all modern surveys come in two parts. One part is to identify where your policies and procedures comply with requirements and the other part is to identify where you actually demonstrate compliance in your business operation for things like change control. You can also use testimony from employees and records from the production process.
Example about how to walk-the-walk for Purchasing:
Select one purchase order then add remarks in the survey about:
1) Who reviewed and approved the PO prior to sending it to the Supplier
2) Call the Supplier to verify they have the latest revision purchase order and specification(s)
3) Verify the receiving record is complete and the receiving inspector verified all purchase order requirements, including compliance with the PO and drawings and specs, especially material properties listed on the Supplier cert.
4) Verify parts are marked or ID’d with PO Number, Part Number, Revision, Date and Lot Number.
5) Verify the stockroom is under control and records match quantities and part numbers
6) Verify the item(s) listed on the PO has/have been issued and displays applicable info from #4 above plus the job number or project name.
7) Verify the assembly records trace back to the PO and lot number.
All modern-day Auditors are trained to follow-through as shown above. The follow-through could be in Calibration or Change Control or any business operation that affects product quality.
“Its amazing what you find when you start looking!” (my favorite phrase).
Chat with you again soon,
At-PQC
Additional Customer Inquiry:
Subject: AAR M1003
Hi,
We have a requirement from CSX asking for a QA system that is compliant to the AAR M1003. I think our manual should cover this and I’m asking for your input on this. Thanks
Kindest Regards,
Quality Control Manager
Grantsville, MD
Our Response:
Hello,
The $136 Association of American Railroads standard M-1003 (2011) is available online at:
https://www.aarpublications.com/Publications/Manual%20of%20Standards%20and%20Recommended%20Practices/Section%20J.aspx
I’m sure you’ll also need their 30 page assessment form. Find attached an older version of M-1003.
There are many Associations that rely on ISO 9001 as the foundation for their various specialty certifications. AAR needs a Company to first be compliant with the ISO standard then it can become compliant with individual AAR requirements.
Nadcap does the same thing with AS9003 and AS9100 to get Companies certified to perform individual specialties. The FAA does the same thing for each Type Certification.
Your Enhanced MIL-I kit is fully compliant with ISO 9001 because of your desire for Lockheed Martin business. You wanted to keep your ISO compliance quiet so as not to scare off management but here’s your chance to openly express compliance to ISO 9001.
After you get your AAR related work, I’d renumber your MIL-I manual to display ISO 9001 paragraph numbers then resubmit your manual to Lockheed Martin and AAR. This way you’ll be on the same page of music as all other ISO compliant companies. Take a look at our ISO manual to see how to renumber your MIL-I manual:
http://www.quality-control-plan.com/cart/catalogue.php?cat=1#iso9001qualitymanual-3
If you desire, we’ll renumber your manual.
Neat job you have…
Chat with you again soon,
At-PQC
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